The Spanking Gene
or
The Autistic and the Blade Eight
Alfred Russel Wallace, from the UC Berkeley site
Here Eisler uses the Greek plays, the Oresteia to show us how the old ways were so high handedly replaced, in the plays, the gods decide Orestes is innocent of murdering his own mother, because motherhood isn’t a thing anymore. Eisler’s point is this lie is forced in this public way – mine is that to believe that lie, you need a different sort of a brain. There is a lot about women being forced out of every position of power in society.
I spend time trying to apply some broad genetics to the invasions and the millennia following them, advancing a theory of genetic drift, with more than one vector, the immediate slaughter of competing genes, as well as the ongoing growth of the gene within the affected population from the environmental pressure of spanking and law. I spend some time trying to triangulate a true starting point for it all.
Reality Stood on its Head: Part One
“Mother Murder is Not a Crime”
I keep coming back to write every few pages I read, because it’s just so sad, I can’t look at it for long, Good Lord, I mean Good Lady. This one’s all me, I guess. My Autism’s POV.
It’s the Greek plays, Aeschylus’ “Oresteia.” It describes the Gods all deciding that motherhood doesn’t mean anything anymore, and that matricide isn’t a thing, because there is no relationship of mother to child, and the Greeks have moved to patrilineage and extreme misogyny. It couldn’t be more blatant in its denial of reality and its insistence upon male violence as the new morality.
For me, the rule they exploit, that the play’s central mother killing is not a crime because there is no relatedness, this is the core of the Dominator world, that if they are not your blood relatives, it is no crime to slaughter them – like our concept of crime doesn’t exist outside the family – and also it states my case about it, that once you decide that harming and killing non-relatives is good, then your relatives will be on the block soon enough. In fact, the causality is the other way about.
The violence begins at home.
The normal, Allistic science talk of in-group good treatment is rubbish to my mind, that any one man is supposed to be an efficient warrior AND a loving husband and father is nonsense. You are what you do, that’s evolution, also known as real life. You aren’t socialized by the out-group. The school of hard knocks is at home, this is where you learn how to treat the out-group, from Mom and Dad.
Also, how do men hate their mothers so, to legalize matricide if we didn’t begin “spanking,” until recently? Surely this hate indicates the men were abused as children? ? That story about the Spartan mother finding a wound on her son’s back when he returns from the wars and killing him suggests “spanking,” was even sometimes lethal. Ha – put him over her knee to treat the wound in his back and then spanked his ass by putting a sword in it! Maybe Orestes, raised with that story, had a scratch on his back and couldn’t trust her not to finish him off if she saw it.
Ha. Trying to turn this tragedy crap into Monty Python, make it hurt a little less. I’m not putting it back on women, I’m putting it on spanking. Imagine what a crap life that Spartan Mother had, one comes home alive and she’s got to kill him or suffer some lethal social shaming. Imagine the early life that made her able to do it. Good Lord, I mean Lady.
It’s obviously tragic all around, I do not see winners. I see men who think they are winning, but I do not wish for their lives. This tragedy, I suppose all of them, they are tragedies because of their own rules, every one. The moral of the story is the confession of an error, held up as someone else’s, the gods’ error. It’s Neurotype, of course, everything the moralizing gods say has some matching . . . structure in the brain of the average listener or it wouldn’t be popular. When you know it’s screwing you, but you can’t think anything else, what’s a smart sounding way they say that, the deconstructionist horizon, when you can’t think anything else from here. When all the options aren’t available to you. Neurotype.
This was not Eisler’s point at all, what I said about Neurotype; they are not saying the Greeks couldn’t think anything different, they’re saying the Greeks consciously created a culture of propaganda to make sure no-one else could ever think anything different. I think tomayto, tomahto maybe, two sides of the same coin, it’s all they can think, so it’s what they teach. It’s all they can learn, so it’s what they teach, maybe. What’s the applicable joke? It’s eluding me just now.
The inverse of that is there are Partnership sorts of people who don’t learn it no matter it is shouted at us all of our lives.
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Chapter Six
Reality Stood on its Head: Part One
“The Dominator and Partnership Mind”
Ah, there’s a heading, now we’re getting to it, maybe.
It speaks for a bit about patrilineage, about how women were squeezed out life, out of human rights, and of course patrilineage introduces the possibility of lineal error and lineal crime, if there were no supremacy involved, the move is still an open invitation to bullshit entering everyone’s lives that didn’t exist before on nearly the same scale, clearly part of reality’s headstand, referred to in the heading.
Everybody used to know who your mother is; under patrilineage, your father is only the most powerful man in your life who wants to be your father, because who is going to set him straight.
It’s the switch from reality to authority, from real reality to the Dominator’s “social reality.”
They talk about how the Dominator societies worked to erase the mind of the old world with these new myths back then, five thousand years ago, and then say this work has been going on ever since until we all pretty much believe it. This is maybe self identification, when Eisler says, “To us, after thousands of years of relentless indoctrination, this is simply reality, the way things are,” it sounds like they’re including themselves, and I insist, this is not true for everyone still, that still today people are being born whose minds cannot “learn,” these, to us, falsehoods.
But yes, very much yes, to some, this is “reality.” Reality being the theory that matches your neurology, I think. Otherwise, it’s “just a theory,” if it doesn’t. I’m throwing that into the public discussion about what the word, “theory,” means, parsing it by Neurotype. What qualifies as “reality,” or “just a theory,” is surely to some degree a matter of whether the structures in your head are made for that idea or not.
I’m going to have a hard time addressing this teaching/propaganda idea, I think, these seem like “just a theory,” to me. I need Neurodiversity and spanking instead, of course, as always.
Oh no, “socialized in such a society,” isn’t that circular? I need to stop and concentrate, I want so badly not to read this bit again, but it’s what we’re here for, to improve upon just this. Oh, FGS, “systems.” I know that as an Autist, I’m probably supposed to love “systems,” but I do not. The term is generic, and now I feel we’re talking about empty, context free, “systems,” when the point is exactly what sort of a system have you got, not some crap about how generic “systems,” interact. “Systems,” like “values,” and “morals,” and “beliefs,” these are not things, they are only headings, and when they are employed it is a dodge, dare I say, a Dominator dodge: they are there to hide the specific truth of the matters they supposedly explain, to take the reality and the truth out of it.
Yes, everyone should read this book, don’t get me wrong, and I’m ahead of myself here still.
Something is rankling, that this chapter is about a long, ongoing process – but this culture arrived in a fully extreme form at the beginning of this long slow process. About that, a few things, maybe there was one, as I’m already searching for, some long process the “Kurgans,” had already been through before they arrived in the Neolithic “west,” but I keep getting the sense that we want it both ways, it arrived with the invasion, but also, it’s still coming on slow.
It’s the same thing I whined about, about the “bifurcation point,” the same thing I’m somehow missing. I mean, “five thousand years,” that’s getting to the end of the “Kurgan,” invasions, we seem to go back and forth as to whether the five thousand year number is before or after the change. Ah.
Not sure how many times I’ve pushed this rock up this hill, but maybe something: two or three causal streams would clear it up, the short term immediate effect of the invasions and slaughters, and the big change in the gene pool after only the first catastrophic “generations, these repeated immediate disasters through the fourth millennium, but then, the long, slow, ongoing change, what she calls cultural evolution after the immediate destructive change . . .
you see, I have a problem, I am trying to prove a matter of evolution, that people have been getting less reasonable and sustainable for, current momentary guess is about eight millennia, it was nine yesterday – but again, these mad “Kurgans,” arrived fully developed as warriors, they couldn’t seem to possibly go any further along that path when we met them, six to five thousand years ago.
But, ah! Again:
I’m guessing when all the artifacts of civilization disappeared for a millennium or two, so did war, and there was a lull in the violence also?
My idea is that the Spanking gene is dominance, and once so diluted, it renews its growth and continues its drift towards saturation, and the old genes and the old ways lose ground, over generations in the Dominator’s general environment of abuse. They may have been somewhat pacified having bred with the native old stock, but it seems that as Eisler says, society’s direction had been permanently altered, and it was only a matter of time until war would be the human way of life now.
I assume this momentum involved spanking. Because spanking exists and I think Mom was lying when she told me it didn’t hurt me, I mean with that attitude, Mom would have made a terrible social scientist or historian. We don’t just decide things “don’t matter,” do we? Well, depending on our genes and our brain types: here, in the Autistic science book, we don’t ignore that particular thing.
I’m even going to wax all positive for a second and say that without that, without the epigenetic push of child abuse, things might have gone the other way, the peaceful majority might have won the genetic war. I will reinvoke the mystery of Crete, things maybe can go the other way.
But now we could “culturally” evolve as Eisler says, back towards that Kurgish™ brutality, kicking and screaming and trying intermittently to slow the process all the way along, in every millennium. In the opposite direction, really of our idea of “progress,” is the point. I’m afraid that’s rather central too.
It’s not just messy, we really are going the wrong direction entirely.
And yes, then wherever it came from, those people must have undergone a similar process of drift, over time. I suppose I’ve just reintroduced the possibility of a start further back then, depending how many cultures it had to nearly fill before it got to the “Kurgans,” and then to us. But maybe it all starts with them, too, who knows.
I think, evolution, not cultural evolution. The Dominator sorts select themselves when they have the data, and the cultural pressure, that this chapter I have hardly mentioned yet is about, the mythology and education, is not probably optional, it’s all part of the social control and the spanking and causes real evolutionary change too, the environment tweaks genes. Perhaps, in the long view, this is what I’m saying, it’s not that the education that changes minds, but the environment that changes the minds of both the educator and the educated. It’s that extra step where the human changes, this is what I always feel is missing from the Human sciences, stated previously: that the actual people actually change.
You know what I want, not that the culture, “evolves,” but that the culture, rather than being the object of evolution, the evolving thing, the culture is the ENVIRONMENT, CAUSING the evolution of its members. THAT’S what’s backwards about “cultural evolution.” I mean, it sounds to me like people think of it the other way, like the culture is evolving, in response to itself, and the people all have the forever Human Nature and don’t really change.
Am I wrong? Do y’all actually have it my way around?
Saying that if Ishtar etc., the Goddess made it through the dark period and was still present in the first dynasty of Sumer two millennia later, that suggests a genetic persistence, the generations immediately after the slaughters must have still had old neurology, still found the goddess to be true, despite extreme force, but something put her away later, in slow motion, and was that education, or evolution?
You know what I think. Evolution, because the more generations we get spanked for, the less we love our Mother and the more we love our weapons.
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Chapter Six
Reality Stood on its Head: Part One
“The Metamorphoses of Myth”
In this section, Eisler details the Dominator’s rewriting of the old society’s myths, mostly around serpent imagery and the Hebrew Bible, some very clear stuff about the intent and the desired effects of the changes, and I haven’t much to add or argue with, it’s all good and true.
The rest of this entry is me processing the previous section and chapters, more bird’s eye view again. I think it’s the neurology, everything I am going to learn needs to start at the very start, like a Michener book, I can’t take anybody’s word for anything, this is how it is for a minority Neurotype.
It kind of matters what happened during the post collapse dark period, was it not constant war? Was the collapse so bad that they couldn’t mount a war for two thousand years either? I guess I’m suggesting that they didn’t really want to, until after a period of this “cultural evolution,” I mean actual evolution.
Like, did the first rounds of invader babies, being half genetic Goddess people settle down, and not simply keep conquering further towards the west? Until the environment changed enough and for long enough they evolved back up to that level of aggression, ready again for conquest, is my thought? The thing is, Eisler said after the collapse, there is nothing to find, civilization is gone, I think I may as well continue to sketch this out my way, why not. That is the project.
OK, about the guessed at connection, of both northern and southern barbarian invaders back in the fourth millennium, someone thinks the steppe folks had migrated out of Anatolia, perhaps that’s the connection with the invaders from the southern deserts and I guess it means the trouble started down south?
The picture is almost like it all starts where farming starts and moves north in the same pattern, just lags it by a few millennia. That theory is not big, apparently. But if so, did the same scenario play out when they got to the steppe, a period of having slaughtered the men, bred with the women, and then slowly hyping themselves back up into full warrior mode again, another thousand years before heading west and starting the process again?
This is a pretty cynical little system I’m devising, isn’t it, eish.
I mean, I’d like to think it’s not me, but the drift of a cynical little gene I’m describing. I guess I’m starting to glimpse the two things and the resulting third thing and the time between, what she was saying with the systems change stuff and the bifurcation point, OK, no, I still don’t see a bifurcation, more of a blending. But the rest at last, I guess I do, stated crudely above. Recalls my H.G. Wells, who described this process from a longer perspective, I suppose, they said, the settled areas would suffer repeated invasions, which conquerors would settle in on the good land and the good life and their children would soften up, ready for the next invasion of these hard, expansive pastoralists, rinse and repeat, but surely that softening was a genetic matter, and I think H.G. said elsewhere, farming is not soft work either.
If not, others have.
I don’t think pastoralists’ life is automatically harder or rougher, and the farms and cities didn’t soften anyone – the softer, Neolithic people built the cities and lived in them and the invaders bred with them and their children softened from their newly acquired soft genes.
Gimbutas’ critics, the stodgy men who want to deny invasion and genetic overwhelm and tell a tale of gradual change, of influence and cultural drift, they’re wrong in what they refute, that sudden carnage seems clear – but they’re not wrong that evolution hasn’t stopped for human beings and there is always ongoing incremental change. It is both.
Even if the physical Earth were unchanging, we, and the environments we create for ourselves absolutely have never stopped changing, because when we evolve, the environments we create do too, I suppose that is really cultural evolution, us evolving to adapt to our own self-created environments, to our “culture.”
It ought to mean culturally CAUSED biological evolution, not what is it now – culturally caused cultural evolution? We believe in evolution when it comes to made up things, but not about animals such as ourselves, apparently.
Still, I suppose we’ll never know how such a lifestyle began. The hint that the steppe folks had moved from Anatolia, perhaps this indicates some disaster in Anatolia that sent folks away, perhaps this was involved in life becoming about fighting other people instead of simply living, some climate deal that had people fighting over decreasing resources for enough generations that they forgot how to live any other way. Perhaps some bottleneck, where the change happened in a small group, but got them all, and set the plan for when they grew.
Trying not to be too specific about it, but we need something.
For timing, to see how fast this toxic adaptation spreads, but also, everything real exists for a reason, and for “Dominators,” to be real, they need some sort of logic to explain them, some back story – same if they’re “Allistics,” too. That it just “came out of the northeast,” this is what we have, but it isn’t really an explanation in the long run, is it?
OK, maybe naming the people who “started it,” with you, perhaps in Dominator mode, this is an explanation, LOL. In Partnership mode, I want more of a how and a why than a who. Most modern likely Dominator sorts, Neurotypicals, when they are here, reading, doing science, they’re in Partnership mode too, right? A lot of people want to know why things, don’t they? Science will want to march on from there, people are trying.
So some such prolonged disaster happens to some group and they make this awful adaptation to a life of war in some drying up waterhole in the near east and then only after being stuck somewhere long enough to change this way, something changes and they are free to move away and take over the world?
In waves, expand and settle, breeding with the locals, settle and then re-evolve back into invaders, then expand. I think? Re-evolve because something like spanking, always the invisible hand in Dominator history, I suspect? Spanking, Chagnon’s violent children’s group, same thing. I would call what he described as something like self-spanking, when the children set their environment to activate their warrior genes themselves while the adults mostly just watch.
Eisler lays out a millennia long propaganda campaign, starting with the power of the priesthood, the propaganda wing of Dominator governments, and again, all good and true – but if the priesthood had the authority to do it, they were already that type to begin with, and just like dealing with someone dominating you today, the power move comes first, and then, time allowing, they come up with some lie about it afterwards.
And I’m sorry, but to talk about the lie is to talk about the bribe money and not the intimidation, to take the phony bait and miss the point and the causality, which is the whole authoritarian setup, and the brain behind it, not the lesson they force with it. The echoes in today’s news are deafening, how we talk about the fascists’ “lies,” while they do not care what they say or if anyone believes it, debate is not really the functional thing.
My question, as always, is how do textual lies evolve to look like the truth, but in the same period the people, living under Dominator abuse did not evolve? It seems the fascists intuit what the humanists do not, the power of abuse and the relative zero power of words.
Again: the words do not change the culture. The violence changes the people, and the people make the culture, words included. So it doesn’t work like the Dominators say, we don’t change as they tell us to – but they abuse and we change, maybe even predictably, nonetheless. While the good humanists talk and change nothing, even spanking their own children, even participating in the abuse that is actually defeating their desired lifestyle and destroying the world.
I’m sorry, but . . .
I mean, I used to think words mattered a whole lot more too, before I learned that mine never mean a damned thing to anyone, and that that was because of Neurotype.
So, perhaps the trouble started in Anatolia, but it occurs that the Gobekli Tepe site, a few millennia older than all of this in Anatolia shows no sign of the trouble, dating from 8,000 to 9,500 BCE.
So the trouble began somewhere between 8,000 and what were the first incursions of “Kurgans,” 4,300 BCE, and do we have earlier warrior burials in the Kurgish homeland before they came to the near east? We must, otherwise how do we know it’s where they came from, so yes. The maps and wording suggest that we’ve found it there back to maybe 5,000 BCE, seven thousand years ago, while there weren’t shrines to weapons in Anatolia still at 8,000 BCE.
That’s three millennia in which for someone to fall into that way of life somehow or other and if we were talking about evolution, and I’m trying to be, this span of three thousand years can perhaps be seen as a moment in time, as close enough to a firm date for my purposes. I mean, who among the modern peoples speak of the evolution of humans in terms of a few thousand years? Most would think it far too FINE a resolution.
I think, in practical terms, it means I’ll be saying, “give or take a hundred and fifty generations,” when I’m trying to count them (at a guessed at twenty years per). It doesn’t quite sound like an instant when you put it like that, does it?
I’m sorry, I just can’t read anymore yet, it’s too sad. More . . . processing.
I mean, not that we know something began immediately in 8,000BCE, it was likely later – but one, two, three millennia, from zero to shrines to swords and genocide on the steppes in something less than three thousand years, this echoes the schedule of the conversion of the near east and old Europe peoples, the Warriors show up in the fifth millennium BCE and in the third, the near east people are building their stone shrines to male gods with swords.
I think I’m looking at a cycle of evolutionary drift, the warrior mode taking over a group, a people, and growing until it basically explodes within the group, it melts down and explodes onto the neighbors, whereupon the warrior genes become diluted by means of their own aggression, by breeding with the un-drifted peoples they conquer – an historical cycle, from a time when there were un-drifted non-warrior people – and we see a time of apparent peace and “progress,” while the aggressive gene slowly rebuilds its dominance.
It is a terribly sad thought, because what happens when that cycle ends, when there are no more peaceful genes to draw from?
I think a version of this end of the line, no more Neolithic genes left to conquer thing happened during the Bronze age collapse, and it surely seemed to be the end of the world, certainly the end of “a,” world, with the loss of Crete. They had run out of old genetics and we didn’t really see any post-collapse peace that time, did we, in the first millennium BCE?
The European Age of Expansion and the enlightenment was such a conquer and reset moment again, though, the Euros encountered another great pool of un-drifted genes and culture in the New World, and the old world (Neolithic) people of the New World perhaps caused another brief reset among the Europeans, and the appearance of the positive, “progress,” for a time, the Enlightenment.
Of course in the New World, among the Europeans, there was breeding with the conquered natives as always, just ask them, every other white family on Turtle Island will declare some local ancestry, I mean, they don’t call it invader rape when they do, but they claim it nonetheless. So if America ever sounded like a better, more peaceful place, it probably was, for a minute, from the European POV.
But then they evolved again, is the theory.
But wait, no. Five hundred years since it began, twenty, twenty-five generations of the environment of conquest and apartheid while acquiring rather few of the conquered genes perhaps, due to our microbes’ conquest, we lost even the conquered women. I hadn’t factored that in yet – there probably wasn’t much of a peaceful reset this time at all. Which feels right, doesn’t it. The Enlightenment wasn’t deep.
And again, super sad and frightening though, the pattern, because where is the next influx of legacy human genes? Where is the control group? It exists, but is no longer entire nations or geographical regions, it is what remains of Indigenous culture the world over and perhaps the Neurodivergent, a small to very small percentage of most nations.
I sort of already had a theory of cycles of boom and bust of human violence in my head before this reading of the Chalice, that this century is shaping up to look just like last century, a buildup of bad feelings and a global meltdown that happens over four or five generations.
But the Chalice has raised this issue of turning that over and seeing perhaps also the inverse cycles of peace and some causality there, specifically when the invaders take on half the settled peoples’ genetics and lose half of their own – OK, less than half, I’m sure the invaders brought their wives and children along as well as taking over the settled women and children, right? I suppose that’s a head start, tilted playing field immediately and both shortens the time from half and also ensures which “half,” the big half, wins, every time, or often enough.
I mean, plus the environment of spanking; it’s twice tilted.
Again, it seems the large pools of Neolithic genes are gone or splintered, that cycle may have ended in Eurasia between the Bronze age collapse and the Age of European expansion, and then tried to happen again in what, 1492 AD/CE , although any lull in the violence may be difficult to see after that one.
But that one’s not over yet either, again, there are un-drifted minds the world over, un-drifted genes still and if people knew what they were and what they are worth, there would be plenty enough of them to begin to solve the problem, and that’s before any behavioural change/epigenetic behavioural change. Plus, it looks like even a full genetic Dominator still has an on switch, “spanking.” They turn it on themselves, parent to child, child to child, it’s auto-setting at the moment – but the switch is there. That’s hope.
Jeff
Aug. 16th., 2024
The Spanking Gene 